I certainly understand that and I do realize this is why my work is not shared as much as might be warranted due to these types of understable concerns and fears. I felt much the same when I published my introductory book on FSA 5 years ago ('Rejected, Shamed, and Blamed' but it turned out to be one of the best things I ever did.
That is my hope. FSA is now globally recognized in some quarters, including via my studies published in peer-reviewed journals, so slowly but surely it is happening. I'm working on an online FSA Recovery program now.
I'm involved with several types of 'recovery communities' as my recovery involves a broad range of different types of abuse and so warrants different (though often over lapping) focus.
Only very recently have I even begun to share aspects of FSA with a close friend (fellow survivor of child abuse) I've known for 15 years. We talk almost daily, though she's in the US & I'm in Australia.
It's such a unique experience to be targeted life long as the 'scapegoat' and to me, personally, it's just such a sensitive, raw subject - very close to my emotional centres - I'm not sure they'd get it, and I feel very vulnerable around discussing it (that fear around being *misunderstood* or invalidated) again. I'm only now tenuously, coming out of hiding, to express to my closer survivor friends, the experience.
To this one friend, I've shared the title of Rebecca's book and also her substack (not so much the link, but have told her of your work) and just the other night was in discussion with a nicer neighbour (child abuse survivor) of the concepts involved in FSA, and she seemed to get it!
Still, it's a touchy subject with me. It's like it's my sacred past - and by far the most damaging thing I've ever had to overcome - and I want to guard it's vulnerability, until such time I feel empowered enough to speak with impunity.
Years ago I read a book re: abusers and how the 'world was oddly tilted in their favour' even in court cases.
My take on this - and especially around the Exposure of FSA - is this collective denial of the guilt and shame on a collective level ie: the inability - nor will - to process that guilt and shame (a narcissistic defense if ever there was one) that the ACCEPTANCE OF THE REALITY (of FSA) would incur.
That resistance to ACCOUNTABILITY. Individually and collectively.
These Hard Truths of FSA are hard to process! So there is push back and denial and obsufucation.
Human nature 🙄
Ok I'm going to say it - few people, let alone on the Collective level (including corporations, companies and platforms) have the moral compass or even the CAJONES, to do what we do - what REBECCA DOES - to name the TRUTHS OF THESE MATTERS.
Rebecca has guts, we who do this kind of recovery work have guts. Cause they are unpleasant ugly truths.
Yes they are.
Thankyou Rebecca for your cajones, guts and moral compass.
HA - Here's to our Cajones. I imagine I began my research as much to help myself as anyone else, truth be told - my scapegoating has been severe, and not just within my family-of-origin. I address the possible cause of this for some of us FSA targets in the chapter in my book on 'The Empath'. BTW, this brief online FSA educational guide can sometimes be a helpful, low key way to share my work - It's in the Welcome email subscribers get here as well after signing up - it's a website you can bookmark and share: https://fsarecovery.my.canva.site/
A dark empath uses their understanding of others’ emotions to manipulate, charm, or exploit them for personal gain, often without feeling remorse. Which might make them also a sociopath - or worse.
Glad you can feel the impact, LinMaree. What I have had to (willingly) endure 'behind the scenes' these past 10 years to get my FSA research and content 'out there' is nearly unbelievable. Even getting my FSA studies published in peer-reviewed Medical and Public Health journals has made little difference in regard to the push back I get on many fronts. A bit like Sisyphus, really, constantly rolling the FSA boulder up the hill. Which is why community support means so much to me. Glad you're here!
Wow I can't believe all of those platforms are doing this just like the individuals and smaller systems we've all dealt with. You're really fighting for this and there's no words to describe how appreciated and supported you are Rebecca
This means much to me. Given how skewered I've been on multiple levels as I struggled to get my FSA concept and research out, I can honestly say I'm not sure I could have kept going without the support and encouragement of my subscribers on YouTube and here on Substack. (I was initially 'cancelled' brutally on Twitter and Facebook when I first went public with this venture - These social media 'cancels' were led by supposed (non-accredited) scapegoat and narcissistic abuse 'experts; who were threatened by my 'myth-busting', groundbreaking, research-supported work, which they were also at the same time colonizing, co-opting, and re-branding as their own (including using the copyright-protected 'FSA' term and concept without my permission). So I thank you for your support. It is much appreciated. Thank goodness it is getting a wee bit easier for me now that I have peer-reviewed studies published worldwide in respected medical and public health journals. Even so, I still put up with a lot of crap. Grist for the mill, as they say; and the sand that makes the FSA pearl shine brighter (!)
I don’t understand why people are trying to jump onto your bandwagon Rebecca and trying to claim credit for all your research and hard graft. We all know that you are the pioneer of this subject matter and truly deserve credit and recognition for all you have accomplished. You have so many grateful subscribers and I, like everyone here, am truly grateful to you for lifting the lid on a phenomenon that has previously been swept under the carpet. You’ve created a safe space for us and ended our isolation. Your work is not only groundbreaking, but it’s life changing for myself and many others. I’m so much happier now than I was before I read your book and engaged with others in the same situation. I don’t read what any of these “experts “ say. It’s plagiarism. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! Xx
I truly appreciate hearing this and to be honest, it's only recently that I've been getting comments like this, Veronica. I look back now and I'm not sure I could do now what I did then so it's a good thing I got it done in regard to the peer-reviewed research and getting my book out there. I'm not complaining, but my nervous system took a tremendous beating these last few years from all of the online hatred, harassment, intellectual property theft, and abuse from the very population that I was serving, scapegoat survivors, which is something that I had not expected. 😉🙏💖
Sorry for my slow response Rebecca. We all lean on you but I do appreciate that you have suffered in the same way as we have. Going through FSA is tough in itself but coping with the additional stress of what can only be described as online bullying must have taken its toll on you . Please don’t be disheartened. You have lifted the lid on this dreadful form of abuse which we’ve all experienced. You’re the pioneer and the only person with the courage to bring this form of abuse into the open. Anyone disputing your findings or claiming them as their own are fraudsters. Ignore them - they’re not worth losing a minute of sleep over! We all know the truth and are 💯 behind you xx
Thank you, it is uplifting to finally experience people understanding what I've done - for all of us, not just for myself. My FSA healing pathways and online recovery courses will also be groundbreaking, in my opinion - hope you can check it out once I have my new platform ready. I'll announce it here when it is.
Before Substack, your book gave me words for my experience. I wasn’t crazy; my family was beating me up. Constantly. I told a friend recently, “I’ve excelled at work for years while enduring trauma. What if I showed up everyday with bruises?” But we don’t, so our experience is minimized. I tried to explain FSA to my boss and she waved her hand and said, “My husband isn’t close to his family,” as if that is the same thing. Really, she isn’t ready to acknowledge this form of abuse. I agree 100% that there is a societal inability to accept that some families are intent on destroying one of their members. Not for a day or a week, but forever. It’s beyond belief. ~ There was a really old Law & Order rerun recently about a Golden Child and Scapegoat, two brothers, and the latter is willing to take the rap for a crime committed by the former, who got killed running from police. At a jailhouse visit, the Scapegoat says to his mother, “I didn’t do the crime, but whether I did or not, you’re still going to punish me, so I might as well plead guilty. It’s safer in here.” He pleads for her to the point of screaming to acknowledge that she hasn’t protected him since childhood and there’s a long pause when you think maybe she might just finally give him what every child needs — will she? won’t she? And of course she doesn’t. This was written a good 20 years ago, and it’s gripping drama because the viewer simply can’t believe that a parent could be so unfeeling. Except for 8500 persons who follow your Substack. That weird fiction is our reality. I’m not glad that you have to jump through so many hoops to do your life-saving work, but I know that every single follower here is a believer, and that means this is a true community of healing. Wow!
Hi Melanie, that episode sounds like it packed a powerful psycho-emotional 'punch'. Another one from even longer ago is the film 'Ordinary People'. The 'Golden Child' dies; the 'Scapegoat' survives, and the homeostasis is broken, leaving the family in tatters. Mary Tyler Moore was stunning as the disappointed, grieving (scapegoating) mother; the rest of the cast was also superb. Film directed by Robert Redford. I believe it won the Oscar for best film that year, not sure, but well deserved if it did.
Ordinary People did win the Oscar that year. A recent (male) therapist and I discussed the film. He said he was a teen when he watched it in a theater with his buddies and slid to the floor sobbing. But he Still could not show me any real compassion for what I’ve been through. So I went to a therapist who I’d been on a waiting list for who was sanctioned by Elaine Aron. Same experience—and they both claimed to be trauma informed. So I found your therapeutic work a year ago Rebecca, and have made So Much more Progress. 🙏
Oh dear! Just curious, were they minimizing your FSA experiences or skeptical or…? You need not share as I realize this is a public note. And sadly, if I ventured to guess, I’d say that maybe 30% of therapist that say they are “trauma-informed” actually are. Always ask what certification program they went through, or are they aware of SAMHSA’S six principles of trauma-informed care. For example, I have advanced certification through Dr. Janina Fisher, a pillar in the field of C-PTSD for over 30 years. Here’s a link to SAMHSA: https://www.samhsa.gov/mental-health/trauma-violence/trauma-informed-approaches-programs
Yes, Ordinary People was so hard to watch! The cruelty and fear was palpable. It confirmed what I had been feeling as real, sadly. The golden child in my family switched from being me, with strong verbal abuse and rejection at times, to one of my brothers, but he was terribly verbally abused before he became the golden child. And my youngest brother tried to stay under the radar, but we were all subjected to my father’s verbal abuse regardless of position and label. My mother was verbally abused but went along with him as well, until his health failed. Then she became the abuser. I thought when he passed away, she would become kinder and more understanding. Instead she went on a serious status driven quest to be high society and she succeeded. So disappointing and shocking. Until a few years ago, I still had hope. Now I don’t.
I discussed in a video of mine on YouTube (and perhaps in my book, Rejected, Shamed, and Blamed, I can’t remember) that often when a scapegoating parent dies, the other parent or a sibling will take on this role, which can be quite a shocker to the FSA target. This happened to me when my mother became severely demented. A sibling and their spouse took over the role and promoted the scapegoat narrative, which, in many ways, was worse than anything my mother ever did because it was so wildly unexpected - I had considered this sibling an ‘ally’, as we say in Minuchian theory (Salvador Minuchin, great family systems theorist and practitioner, one of the founders of the field).
I shared several of your excellent posts with my biological family, still in thrall to the dysfunction wrought by FSA intergenerational trauma, intended to inform.
And the same is true for me - I needed a supportive community more than I realized during those long, lonely years. I love that I have quite a few licensed clinicians, certified trauma-informed coaches, and some transpersonalists on my Substack as well!
But I thought you were using Substack? And I’m saying I don’t know what it is or what I’m supposed to do with it. Do I have to join it or get an account? In order to follow the information that you’re post
You can follow my work here by reading my new posts, my archived material, and my FSA Recovery notes, which I post Monday - Friday, as a free subscriber. Did you subscribe and find your Welcome email as a free subscriber?
I subscribed and I have the app but I didn’t see how to add you as one of the options. They make you choose a bunch of options in order to subscribe right? Anyway, but I am seeing these emails come through so I guess I’m subscribed to you.🤪
Truth telling is rarely accepted by the "powers that be". But if you have lived as the family scapegoat the truth needs to be told. It's a cruel reality.
I too deeply appreciate your work and sing your praise to friends and my therapist. I am very glad you’re growing your audience here and that you’ve found a platform that suits you. I’m weird I know — but I would consider it a compliment if the algorithms rejected my work. I have faith that you will succeed in spite of them.
I kind of do, truth be told, ha! I’ll remain on Substack but am forming my own community on a different platform by the end of this year for multiple reasons. I’ll be selling my FSA Recovery online courses on that same site as well. I’ll be creating my course content this year and it may take me quite a few months. But I love the community here so I’ll continue to publish here as well even after I move to the new platform.
I certainly understand that and I do realize this is why my work is not shared as much as might be warranted due to these types of understable concerns and fears. I felt much the same when I published my introductory book on FSA 5 years ago ('Rejected, Shamed, and Blamed' but it turned out to be one of the best things I ever did.
That is my hope. FSA is now globally recognized in some quarters, including via my studies published in peer-reviewed journals, so slowly but surely it is happening. I'm working on an online FSA Recovery program now.
I'm involved with several types of 'recovery communities' as my recovery involves a broad range of different types of abuse and so warrants different (though often over lapping) focus.
Only very recently have I even begun to share aspects of FSA with a close friend (fellow survivor of child abuse) I've known for 15 years. We talk almost daily, though she's in the US & I'm in Australia.
It's such a unique experience to be targeted life long as the 'scapegoat' and to me, personally, it's just such a sensitive, raw subject - very close to my emotional centres - I'm not sure they'd get it, and I feel very vulnerable around discussing it (that fear around being *misunderstood* or invalidated) again. I'm only now tenuously, coming out of hiding, to express to my closer survivor friends, the experience.
To this one friend, I've shared the title of Rebecca's book and also her substack (not so much the link, but have told her of your work) and just the other night was in discussion with a nicer neighbour (child abuse survivor) of the concepts involved in FSA, and she seemed to get it!
Still, it's a touchy subject with me. It's like it's my sacred past - and by far the most damaging thing I've ever had to overcome - and I want to guard it's vulnerability, until such time I feel empowered enough to speak with impunity.
Years ago I read a book re: abusers and how the 'world was oddly tilted in their favour' even in court cases.
My take on this - and especially around the Exposure of FSA - is this collective denial of the guilt and shame on a collective level ie: the inability - nor will - to process that guilt and shame (a narcissistic defense if ever there was one) that the ACCEPTANCE OF THE REALITY (of FSA) would incur.
That resistance to ACCOUNTABILITY. Individually and collectively.
These Hard Truths of FSA are hard to process! So there is push back and denial and obsufucation.
Human nature 🙄
Ok I'm going to say it - few people, let alone on the Collective level (including corporations, companies and platforms) have the moral compass or even the CAJONES, to do what we do - what REBECCA DOES - to name the TRUTHS OF THESE MATTERS.
Rebecca has guts, we who do this kind of recovery work have guts. Cause they are unpleasant ugly truths.
Yes they are.
Thankyou Rebecca for your cajones, guts and moral compass.
Trailblazer Extraordinaire 🙌
HA - Here's to our Cajones. I imagine I began my research as much to help myself as anyone else, truth be told - my scapegoating has been severe, and not just within my family-of-origin. I address the possible cause of this for some of us FSA targets in the chapter in my book on 'The Empath'. BTW, this brief online FSA educational guide can sometimes be a helpful, low key way to share my work - It's in the Welcome email subscribers get here as well after signing up - it's a website you can bookmark and share: https://fsarecovery.my.canva.site/
Thankyou 🙏 Sent it to my US friend 💜
What is a dark empath? Someone who pretends to really care, but uses people?
A dark empath uses their understanding of others’ emotions to manipulate, charm, or exploit them for personal gain, often without feeling remorse. Which might make them also a sociopath - or worse.
This note may be short - and greatly appreciated, too. The impact of the message in it, behind the words is massive!
Glad you can feel the impact, LinMaree. What I have had to (willingly) endure 'behind the scenes' these past 10 years to get my FSA research and content 'out there' is nearly unbelievable. Even getting my FSA studies published in peer-reviewed Medical and Public Health journals has made little difference in regard to the push back I get on many fronts. A bit like Sisyphus, really, constantly rolling the FSA boulder up the hill. Which is why community support means so much to me. Glad you're here!
💞 (My favorite emoji = connection via a gentle hug).
Congratulations! You are helping educate so many people.
🙏 💙
Wow I can't believe all of those platforms are doing this just like the individuals and smaller systems we've all dealt with. You're really fighting for this and there's no words to describe how appreciated and supported you are Rebecca
This means much to me. Given how skewered I've been on multiple levels as I struggled to get my FSA concept and research out, I can honestly say I'm not sure I could have kept going without the support and encouragement of my subscribers on YouTube and here on Substack. (I was initially 'cancelled' brutally on Twitter and Facebook when I first went public with this venture - These social media 'cancels' were led by supposed (non-accredited) scapegoat and narcissistic abuse 'experts; who were threatened by my 'myth-busting', groundbreaking, research-supported work, which they were also at the same time colonizing, co-opting, and re-branding as their own (including using the copyright-protected 'FSA' term and concept without my permission). So I thank you for your support. It is much appreciated. Thank goodness it is getting a wee bit easier for me now that I have peer-reviewed studies published worldwide in respected medical and public health journals. Even so, I still put up with a lot of crap. Grist for the mill, as they say; and the sand that makes the FSA pearl shine brighter (!)
I don’t understand why people are trying to jump onto your bandwagon Rebecca and trying to claim credit for all your research and hard graft. We all know that you are the pioneer of this subject matter and truly deserve credit and recognition for all you have accomplished. You have so many grateful subscribers and I, like everyone here, am truly grateful to you for lifting the lid on a phenomenon that has previously been swept under the carpet. You’ve created a safe space for us and ended our isolation. Your work is not only groundbreaking, but it’s life changing for myself and many others. I’m so much happier now than I was before I read your book and engaged with others in the same situation. I don’t read what any of these “experts “ say. It’s plagiarism. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! Xx
I truly appreciate hearing this and to be honest, it's only recently that I've been getting comments like this, Veronica. I look back now and I'm not sure I could do now what I did then so it's a good thing I got it done in regard to the peer-reviewed research and getting my book out there. I'm not complaining, but my nervous system took a tremendous beating these last few years from all of the online hatred, harassment, intellectual property theft, and abuse from the very population that I was serving, scapegoat survivors, which is something that I had not expected. 😉🙏💖
Sorry for my slow response Rebecca. We all lean on you but I do appreciate that you have suffered in the same way as we have. Going through FSA is tough in itself but coping with the additional stress of what can only be described as online bullying must have taken its toll on you . Please don’t be disheartened. You have lifted the lid on this dreadful form of abuse which we’ve all experienced. You’re the pioneer and the only person with the courage to bring this form of abuse into the open. Anyone disputing your findings or claiming them as their own are fraudsters. Ignore them - they’re not worth losing a minute of sleep over! We all know the truth and are 💯 behind you xx
Thank you, it is uplifting to finally experience people understanding what I've done - for all of us, not just for myself. My FSA healing pathways and online recovery courses will also be groundbreaking, in my opinion - hope you can check it out once I have my new platform ready. I'll announce it here when it is.
Before Substack, your book gave me words for my experience. I wasn’t crazy; my family was beating me up. Constantly. I told a friend recently, “I’ve excelled at work for years while enduring trauma. What if I showed up everyday with bruises?” But we don’t, so our experience is minimized. I tried to explain FSA to my boss and she waved her hand and said, “My husband isn’t close to his family,” as if that is the same thing. Really, she isn’t ready to acknowledge this form of abuse. I agree 100% that there is a societal inability to accept that some families are intent on destroying one of their members. Not for a day or a week, but forever. It’s beyond belief. ~ There was a really old Law & Order rerun recently about a Golden Child and Scapegoat, two brothers, and the latter is willing to take the rap for a crime committed by the former, who got killed running from police. At a jailhouse visit, the Scapegoat says to his mother, “I didn’t do the crime, but whether I did or not, you’re still going to punish me, so I might as well plead guilty. It’s safer in here.” He pleads for her to the point of screaming to acknowledge that she hasn’t protected him since childhood and there’s a long pause when you think maybe she might just finally give him what every child needs — will she? won’t she? And of course she doesn’t. This was written a good 20 years ago, and it’s gripping drama because the viewer simply can’t believe that a parent could be so unfeeling. Except for 8500 persons who follow your Substack. That weird fiction is our reality. I’m not glad that you have to jump through so many hoops to do your life-saving work, but I know that every single follower here is a believer, and that means this is a true community of healing. Wow!
Wow, 100%
Hi Melanie, that episode sounds like it packed a powerful psycho-emotional 'punch'. Another one from even longer ago is the film 'Ordinary People'. The 'Golden Child' dies; the 'Scapegoat' survives, and the homeostasis is broken, leaving the family in tatters. Mary Tyler Moore was stunning as the disappointed, grieving (scapegoating) mother; the rest of the cast was also superb. Film directed by Robert Redford. I believe it won the Oscar for best film that year, not sure, but well deserved if it did.
Ordinary People did win the Oscar that year. A recent (male) therapist and I discussed the film. He said he was a teen when he watched it in a theater with his buddies and slid to the floor sobbing. But he Still could not show me any real compassion for what I’ve been through. So I went to a therapist who I’d been on a waiting list for who was sanctioned by Elaine Aron. Same experience—and they both claimed to be trauma informed. So I found your therapeutic work a year ago Rebecca, and have made So Much more Progress. 🙏
Oh dear! Just curious, were they minimizing your FSA experiences or skeptical or…? You need not share as I realize this is a public note. And sadly, if I ventured to guess, I’d say that maybe 30% of therapist that say they are “trauma-informed” actually are. Always ask what certification program they went through, or are they aware of SAMHSA’S six principles of trauma-informed care. For example, I have advanced certification through Dr. Janina Fisher, a pillar in the field of C-PTSD for over 30 years. Here’s a link to SAMHSA: https://www.samhsa.gov/mental-health/trauma-violence/trauma-informed-approaches-programs
Yes, Ordinary People was so hard to watch! The cruelty and fear was palpable. It confirmed what I had been feeling as real, sadly. The golden child in my family switched from being me, with strong verbal abuse and rejection at times, to one of my brothers, but he was terribly verbally abused before he became the golden child. And my youngest brother tried to stay under the radar, but we were all subjected to my father’s verbal abuse regardless of position and label. My mother was verbally abused but went along with him as well, until his health failed. Then she became the abuser. I thought when he passed away, she would become kinder and more understanding. Instead she went on a serious status driven quest to be high society and she succeeded. So disappointing and shocking. Until a few years ago, I still had hope. Now I don’t.
I discussed in a video of mine on YouTube (and perhaps in my book, Rejected, Shamed, and Blamed, I can’t remember) that often when a scapegoating parent dies, the other parent or a sibling will take on this role, which can be quite a shocker to the FSA target. This happened to me when my mother became severely demented. A sibling and their spouse took over the role and promoted the scapegoat narrative, which, in many ways, was worse than anything my mother ever did because it was so wildly unexpected - I had considered this sibling an ‘ally’, as we say in Minuchian theory (Salvador Minuchin, great family systems theorist and practitioner, one of the founders of the field).
Angel
I shared several of your excellent posts with my biological family, still in thrall to the dysfunction wrought by FSA intergenerational trauma, intended to inform.
You work so hard for every success.
I can't disagree. "The struggle is real..." (!)
♡
Congratulations Rebecca! Thank you so much for your work. These numbers show just how many of us need you.
And the same is true for me - I needed a supportive community more than I realized during those long, lonely years. I love that I have quite a few licensed clinicians, certified trauma-informed coaches, and some transpersonalists on my Substack as well!
I don’t understand what Substack is. I’m feeling a little overwhelmed with all this technological stuff.
I feel the same, which is why I'm migrating to another platform by the end of this year.
But I thought you were using Substack? And I’m saying I don’t know what it is or what I’m supposed to do with it. Do I have to join it or get an account? In order to follow the information that you’re post
You can follow my work here by reading my new posts, my archived material, and my FSA Recovery notes, which I post Monday - Friday, as a free subscriber. Did you subscribe and find your Welcome email as a free subscriber?
I subscribed and I have the app but I didn’t see how to add you as one of the options. They make you choose a bunch of options in order to subscribe right? Anyway, but I am seeing these emails come through so I guess I’m subscribed to you.🤪
You can skip signing up to other Substacks; look and see if you got the Welcome email. That will help get you started.
Truth telling is rarely accepted by the "powers that be". But if you have lived as the family scapegoat the truth needs to be told. It's a cruel reality.
One of the cruelest. And I've got plenty of research to back up that statement.
And yes...once you see the truth YOU can't unsee it, even if they never will.
Thank goodness for Clarity eh? 🙌
Darn straight!!
I too deeply appreciate your work and sing your praise to friends and my therapist. I am very glad you’re growing your audience here and that you’ve found a platform that suits you. I’m weird I know — but I would consider it a compliment if the algorithms rejected my work. I have faith that you will succeed in spite of them.
I kind of do, truth be told, ha! I’ll remain on Substack but am forming my own community on a different platform by the end of this year for multiple reasons. I’ll be selling my FSA Recovery online courses on that same site as well. I’ll be creating my course content this year and it may take me quite a few months. But I love the community here so I’ll continue to publish here as well even after I move to the new platform.
I appreciate that you’ll keep publishing here and that you’re expanding… your work definitely fills a void and I want to keep up with you
Good to hear - The platform is nearly ready to go.
Thank you, Rebecca, for the life-saving work you're doing. You're a Godsend to me and so many others.
I appreciate this, Jennifer, and so glad you're part of our community!
Thank you for your strength and determination! Grit!!
TRUE Grit, at that! And you're most welcome.
I'm a dirty secret. I know you are true, I love your work Rebecca!!
🙏